In this conversation I talk with one of the leading evolutionary biologists, Dr. David Sloan Wilson. Dr. Wilson's work has focused on the important of groups in evolution and how that relates to human societies and religion. We talk about the origin of religion from an evolutionary perspective and discuss whether this undermines religious belief or whether it can strengthen it. We mention Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Dennett, Charles Darwin, Bret Weinstein, EO Wilson, Emile Durkheim, Terrence Deacon, Richard Sosis, Eric Hobsbawn, Terence Ranger, Elinor Ostrom and more.