Iona Italia is a wonderful public intellectual who is active on Twitter (@IonaItalia) and her Two for Tea podcast. Her two-volume Our Tango World (1,2) can be regarded as literary cultural ethnography well worth reflecting upon from an evolutionary perspective. Our conversation uses Atlas Hugged as a base to explore in many directions, including the nature of fiction, novels of ideas as a genre, and what it was like to grow up as the son of a famous novelist. Our publicly available podcast runs 40 minutes and please subscribe to Iona’s podcast on Patreon to access the full version, which runs nearly two hours! GO HERE FOR THE PODCAST.